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Bitcoin Held Up Better Than Chip Stocks - Is It The Safer Trade Now?

Tuesday, 13 October 2026 · 4 min read · Listen to the episode ↗

Bitcoin slid near $80,000 before rebounding above $83,000 as Korean stocks tumbled, prompting a debate over whether its relative resilience signals a decoupling—not proof that Bitcoin is now a safer trade. The discussion also examines how options shape Bitcoin’s volatility and why longer equity trading hours could expose investors to sharper moves in thinner overnight markets.

Bitcoin fell to nearly $80,000 during a selloff that triggered about $800 million in crypto liquidations, including $180 million in Bitcoin and $20 million in tokenized Sandisk, then rebounded above $83,000, roughly where it had traded the previous day. Korean stocks tumbled at the same time, a contrast speakers described as a decoupling. That relative resilience supports the case that Bitcoin can behave differently from other risk assets, but the discussion did not establish that it is now a safer trade. Speakers instead stressed that volatility can be useful to traders who manage it, and that options activity makes volatility part of Bitcoin’s market structure. They also cautioned that mechanisms acting on prices may make a sharp, asymmetric parabolic rise harder.

The prospect of equities trading for longer hours could create new risks before it creates a more reliable market. Austin Campbell said thinner overnight liquidity may amplify price swings, leaving retail traders exposed while asleep; he advised caution with leverage and stop orders. Speakers expected markets to move first to 24/5, with infrastructure largely agreed but no certain activation date, before any move to 24/7. Retail accounts represent about 30% or less of daily volume, so other participants would need to increase activity. Market makers could be drawn in by arbitrage, but differing hours and leverage could complicate price discovery, particularly if a 100x-leveraged perpetual swap trades overnight or on weekends.

Rates and foreign exchange already trade around the clock, with market-making responsibilities passed between time zones, but speakers said equities outside major names and credit are less liquid. Longer trading hours could fragment those markets and intensify moves; one speaker said a sharp selloff could eventually follow, while acknowledging that outcome was uncertain. AI may help traders find cross-asset correlations and trading pairs, but it does not remove the liquidity concern. The S&P had gone 76 days without a decline greater than 1%, a run one speaker said had last occurred in January 2020. The first Iran-related bombs drove a 7% market drop that was recovered within about three days. Campbell distinguished a recession from a market correction and said COVID was the last correction with a truly macro-structural impact.

Campbell argued that inflation can make nominal market drawdowns harder to sustain because rising prices push nominal values upward. He also suggested rate increases could benefit U.S. asset prices overall: much U.S. debt is held by institutions and higher-net-worth investors, and its short-term nature means higher rates can put more cash in those holders’ hands. Tokenized stocks and other real-world assets could, in the speakers’ view, make borrowing against assets such as 401(k)s and Roth IRAs more accessible. One speaker said borrowing against stock currently requires about $20 million in private net worth to approach JPMorgan, and argued tokenization could broaden access to liquidity and reduce debt relative to asset values. Another said U.S. debt relative to the value of its stock market had never been lower.

The speakers rejected simple predictions that Strategy and STRC must collapse, arguing that Bitcoin appreciation and public-company financing options could change the outcome. They disagreed over whether Strategy would need to sell roughly one-fifth or one-quarter of its Bitcoin to survive; one said the situation would have been harder with Bitcoin at 40 rather than 80, without specifying units. Possible responses include selling Bitcoin or common shares, relying on appreciation, or stopping STRC dividends. The consequences depend on the capital stack: stopping STRC dividends could benefit common shares, while issuing common shares to fund dividends could benefit STRC. One speaker said Strategy sold $25 million of common stock and used available cash to buy 11 times as much STRC as Bitcoin. He said he bought STRC at an average cost near 82, citing its 12% dividend and an $18 gain as it neared 100, and expected Saylor to resume Bitcoin purchases with STRC proceeds once STRC returned to 100. Speakers said Saylor has 27 possible levers and has used about 13 or 14 in the past year, but identified his central role as a major key-person risk.

Hardware-wallet security was another caution against treating self-custody as risk-free. Speakers discussed a reported implant in Ledger devices sold through a third party in Asia that could read a seed phrase shown during setup; reports of similar devices reaching Europe were described as unconfirmed rumors. They also cited data exposures involving a couple hundred thousand Trezor customers and 200,000 Bits of Gold customers, and criticized blaming Ledger customers when third-party sellers had been presented as safe. Speakers said self-custody may suit people who distrust their government or financial system, but is a poor fit for the average person; losses through self-custody may exceed exchange losses, though the total is unknown and unreported losses are possible. Multi-signature custody was described as the clearest current approach, with inheritance and recovery complicated by distributing keys. BitGo was said to offer $5 million in deposit insurance, but one speaker questioned its reliability and proof requirements.

The broader investment advice was to manage risk, resist news-driven reactions, and investigate claims independently. Speakers said market timing is difficult and noted that dips can seem consequential in headlines even when the S&P has not fallen 1% in 76 days. In a study cited on the show, the best-performing retirement-account group consisted of people who had lost their passwords; the explanation offered was that they continued contributing without changing investments.

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