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Is Variational the Next Hyperliquid? | CEO Lucas Schuermann and Justin Bram

Wednesday, 30 September 2026 · 4 min read · Listen to the episode ↗

Variational CEO Lucas Schuermann and Justin Bram explain why the platform sees itself as a principal broker, not an exchange or direct Hyperliquid rival, and how it settles on Arbitrum while aggregating off-chain liquidity. They discuss bilateral swaps and the team’s claims about US100 trading costs and liquidity, as well as a targeted Q4 airdrop of 32% of token supply to points holders and plans to expand toward traditional brokerage markets.

Variational is a principal brokerage, not an exchange: it has no order book and takes the other side of customer trades, then hedges using liquidity aggregated from crypto exchanges, decentralized exchanges, and traditional-finance sources. Lucas Schuermann says this model can support zero-fee trading and broad market access without rebuilding deep order books on-chain. He does not see Variational as a price-discovery venue or a direct competitor to Hyperliquid. Exchanges remain important to market makers and high-frequency traders, and Variational has historically traded on Hyperliquid’s edge. Lucas describes Hyperliquid and Lighter as collaborators in some respects, while naming Robinhood and Interactive Brokers as longer-term competitors.

Variational’s live product includes bilateral swaps that Lucas says cannot be listed on an exchange. They trade like leveraged, linear perpetuals but have more predictable, flatter carry costs and can be hedged one-to-one against traditional-finance liquidity; features such as dividend payments can make them resemble brokerage instruments. Justin Bram says trading US100 costs about one-fifth as much as on the most liquid on-chain venue with comparable access. He puts current US100 funding just under 5% and says multi-million-dollar orders can trade at spreads below one basis point. Lucas says Variational is five to ten times more liquid for small trades, with the advantage expected to grow as more markets are added.

The platform keeps settlement, clearing, liquidations, P&L, and collateral movements on Arbitrum while pricing and hedging are handled off-chain. Variational says this combination lets it access traditional-finance liquidity and sources beyond an order book. Users post USDC collateral to trade derivatives on assets including Ether, Uniswap, and Arbitrum tokens; they do not buy those spot assets on-chain, though the company is considering other collateral types. Its Omni liquidity provider takes the other side of trades and aggregates hedges rather than necessarily routing each trade as a matching market order. Revenue includes flow trading and net interest on open interest and platform USDC balances. Variational says it has been profitable for the past year to year and a half, is well capitalized, and retains value for the company, token, and wider ecosystem; it did not disclose a typical OLP yield.

Variational says it is likely among Arbitrum’s top five DeFi protocols by direct chain usage and one of the network’s largest gas spenders. It attributes some of that activity to frequent rebalancing of isolated user settlement pools as funding payments and realized P&L change. Its growth has exceeded the team’s expectations, but Justin says it is still working toward feature parity with other perpetual exchanges. The company gives different estimates for its current audience: roughly 30,000 to 100,000 active crypto traders, and about 100,000 to 200,000 daily crypto-perpetuals users. It sees conventional brokerage users as a much larger next market, while acknowledging that current perps still require users to manage liquidation prices, margin modes, and funding rates.

The product is in private beta, with public mainnet planned shortly and a trading API to follow; app trading is currently manual. Justin expects the API to attract more users and a different audience. The current signup requires an invite code, a crypto wallet, and Arbitrum USDC, while onboarding work includes Privy and Fun options for people unfamiliar with wallets, private keys, or stablecoins. Mobile is also a focus. Variational plans to grow from hundreds of markets toward thousands, with a longer-term goal of 5,000 to 10,000 global markets available through one USDC-funded account. Lucas frames the progression as serving crypto-native traders first, then a wider market, and eventually competing at scale with traditional brokers.

Variational extended its points program through Q4 after initially planning to end it after Q3 and launch the token soon afterward. It is targeting a Q4 airdrop of 32% of total token supply to points holders; the speaker compared that allocation with about 31% for Hyperliquid and 25% for Lighter. The extension is intended to allow more time for partnerships, features, and other pre-launch preparations. On products, Lucas says Swaps will expand from six listings to dozens and then hundreds. Variational Pro, planned for 2027, is aimed at institutional options, structured products, and block trades. Justin also describes exploring combined swaps and perps for assets such as US 100 and Google stock, and argues that the broker-like model could bring traditional-finance options liquidity on-chain, which he says has not yet been done.

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