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Onchain Options Could Dwarf Perps, Jack Butcher's Credits Jump 10x

Wednesday, 23 September 2026 · 4 min read · Listen to the episode ↗

Speakers argue onchain options could surpass current crypto perp volume within one to five years, citing Derive’s record $550 million in 24-hour notional volume while warning that options carry distinct risks. Jack Butcher’s $8 Credits traded around $80, though the floor had not necessarily reached 10x and burn mechanics and final supply remained uncertain.

Onchain options were framed as a crypto category that could eventually exceed perp trading, though not overnight. Speakers compared more than $3 trillion in daily U.S. options notional with roughly $200 billion in crypto perp volume on a strong day, while crypto options remain much smaller. One forecast put the time horizon for onchain options to surpass current perp volume at one to five years. Notional is not cash traded: option premiums vary by contract and maturity, and speakers said onchain premiums are hard to aggregate today.

Derive, formerly Lyra, was cited as evidence that demand is growing, with a reported $550 million in 24-hour notional volume the day before the discussion, its highest day yet. Its market cap was put at about $260 million and its FDV at $88 million, up from roughly $70 million in about a week, though speakers differed on whether it was still attractive after a sharp run-up. One had bought DRV, another was considering a small position, and a third stayed on the sidelines after a 15% daily rise. The proposed growth path is distribution: apps and wallets could use Derive for liquidity, execution, and risk management while retaining the customer relationship.

Options buyers generally risk the premium they pay, while perps can be liquidated; options also avoid perp-style liquidation before expiry, with value instead changing according to the underlying price, strike, and time remaining. But a buyer can lose the full premium as time decays or an option expires out of the money, and option writers can face unbounded losses in some scenarios. Speakers warned that simpler interfaces do not remove the risks: traders still need to assess notional exposure, liquidity, and their ability to exit, particularly in low-cap assets or near expiry. Smart-contract failures can create additional risks, and a lawyer on the panel warned that lawsuits from users who misunderstand options could be substantial.

Programmable contracts could make options composable: V4 hooks could expose terms and activity onchain, while tokenized options might be sold or used as collateral for borrowing, subject to oracle monitoring and possible liquidation. Fractionalized contracts could lower the entry size, and conversational interfaces or European-style options, exercisable only at expiry, were suggested as ways to reduce complexity. Simple Farmer said it plans options vaults for Stonkbroker token holders as an educational first step, with weekly and monthly European-style contracts at different thresholds. In the proposed structure, depositors would earn premiums; if the token finished below the strike, they could withdraw after the month and retain staking rewards, while exercise would pay the strike price per token and transfer the price difference to the buyer.

That design also highlights the market-structure risks. If derivatives become larger than spot markets, traders with significant exposure may have stronger incentives to move the spot prices that determine their outcomes. Speakers pointed to dependence on price feeds, the possibility of pressure on assets linked through liquidity pools, and a past token-options project that offered only calls and encouraged buyers to pump its token. Simple Farmer said his onchain options trading volume had exceeded $100 million and that his trades sometimes used 80%–90% of available liquidity. His hope is for Stompbrokers to build options infrastructure for Uniswap, potentially as a V5 hook, so liquidity providers can earn premiums as well as trading fees; he described that outcome as an ambition, not a certainty.

Jack Butcher’s Credits, minted for $8, were trading around $80, which Thomas described as a 10x gain, although another speaker said the floor was approaching but had not reached 10 times mint. Reports put secondary volume between $2.2 million and $2.6 million, with one account attributing about $2.5 million to the first 12 hours; the initial sale raised just under $1 million. About 108,000 of roughly 122,000 Credits had been distributed. Burn mechanics and the final supply remained uncertain: speakers cited conflicting thresholds of 80 or 88 Credits and speculated that supply could fall to 1,500 or even 500, while stressing that these were not firm estimates. Buyers were weighing profit-taking against possible demand from strategy-driven buyers and collectors, and one urged holders to check rarity before selling. The episode treated the mint as a risk-bearing opportunity, not a guaranteed return.

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