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Michael Kratsios: Trump's Science Agenda, Anti-Science Claims, Fauci's Damage, DEI & China

Monday, 24 August 2026 · 3 min read · Listen to the episode ↗

In this episode, Michael Kratsios discusses the Trump administration's science agenda, emphasizing the need for effective funding in research and technology. He critiques the politicization of science, particularly regarding diversity initiatives, and highlights the challenges posed by China's dominance in research spending. Kratsios also addresses the decline in U.S.-born PhD recipients in STEM fields and the impact of current policies on retaining talent, while expressing concerns over Dr. Fauci's influence on public trust in science.

Michael Kratsios argues that the current administration is not anti-science, citing the report "Science and New Golden Age" as evidence of its commitment to advancing American science and technology. He critiques the scientific community for becoming politicized over the past 15 to 20 years, which he believes undermines scientific integrity.

Kratsios highlights that the U.S. government allocates $200 billion annually for science and technology, but warns that a significant portion of this funding is misdirected. He notes that 25% of National Science Foundation grants during the Biden administration have been allocated to diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives, totaling $8 billion over four years, which he sees as a politicization of science.

While acknowledging the reality of climate change, Kratsios argues it is not a climate emergency and criticizes media portrayals of extreme climate scenarios. He emphasizes that China's carbon output exceeds that of the rest of the world, making U.S. reductions less impactful. He also points to stagnation in scientific innovation, particularly at the NIH and NSF, where he claims outcomes per dollar spent have significantly decreased since 1950.

Kratsios introduces the concept of metascience to improve funding efficiency and mentions the NSF's "golden tickets" initiative to incentivize innovative grant proposals. He believes that funding individuals rather than just ideas could lead to significant breakthroughs. Looking ahead, he predicts that American boots will return to the moon by 2028, a nuclear reactor in space will be operational by then, and a scientifically relevant quantum computer will be developed.

He discusses the Trump administration's willingness to fund scientists outside traditional university settings, noting that U.S. spending on scientific research has tripled since 2000, while China's research spending has increased 19 times. Kratsios stresses the importance of technological and scientific leadership for economic and national security, highlighting the unique U.S. scientific ecosystem that attracts global talent despite challenges from China, including intellectual property theft.

The episode also addresses the decline in U.S.-born PhD recipients in computer science and the difficult job conditions faced by young scientists. Kratsios argues that the U.S. lacks effective programs to retain foreign PhD graduates, leading to a brain drain. He advocates for encouraging young Americans to pursue STEM fields and creating pathways for foreign talent to remain in the U.S.

Kratsios expresses concern over current policies that discourage talented STEM students and notes that the removal of SATs has negatively impacted math performance at universities. He criticizes Dr. Fauci's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, claiming it has damaged trust in science, which will take time to rebuild. He highlights the aging workforce at the NIH, with a median age of 71, and warns that losing STEM graduates could hinder progress against China.

He mentions that basic fundamental research is a priority for the administration, guided by the R&D Priorities Memo. The NSF is funding focused research organizations through XLABS and promoting four-year PhDs in partnership with industry to facilitate quicker workforce transitions. Kratsios expresses skepticism about Congress prioritizing scientific missions over district funding and predicts budget prioritization from the White House in the coming year.

However, he cautions that the political landscape could shift significantly if a Democratic Socialist Alliance candidate becomes president in 2028. He concludes that most recommendations in the New Golden Age are non-partisan or bipartisan, asserting that the best scientists should receive funding regardless of their location, with the administration aiming to demonstrate the effectiveness of their ideas within the next two years.

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