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Elevated Shepherd's Pie

Friday, 30 January 2026 · 2 min read · Listen to the episode ↗

Katie and Matt discuss their dining experience at JP Morgan's elevated Irish pub, highlighting their enjoyment of elevated pub food. The conversation delves into Tether’s ambitions in the gold and cryptocurrency markets, emphasizing its strategy to back liabilities with gold and Bitcoin, while humorously paralleling its gold storage to a heist movie. They also briefly touch on SpaceX’s potential IPO and merger talks with XAI, considering Elon Musk’s investments and implications for employee compensation.

Katie and Matt share their experiences at JP Morgan's Pub, an elevated Irish pub with stunning views from the 13th floor. They enjoy elevated pub food, including a delicious burger, and discuss making it their regular sports bar. The conversation shifts to SpaceX, where they note the company's potential IPO and merger talks with XAI, exploring the implications of Elon Musk's investments and the structure of his companies, particularly regarding employee compensation.

They also discuss the upcoming conjunction of Venus and Jupiter, speculating on Musk's interest in astrology versus astronomy. The hosts express optimism about Tether's ambitions to act as a central bank, highlighting its significant gold purchases and its strategy of backing liabilities with gold and Bitcoin. They humorously compare Tether's gold storage in a former nuclear bunker in Switzerland to a heist movie plot.

The dialogue includes a discussion about gold ETFs, particularly State Street's GLD, and the fascination with the physical storage of gold. Tether's serious intentions in the gold market are underscored by the notable loss of two senior gold traders from HSBC. The conversation transitions to Tether's financial success and its desire to compete with banks in gold trading, exploring efficient processes for purchasing gold in bulk.

They touch on liability management exercises, using Altice USA as an example, and discuss a lawsuit initiated by Kellogg-Canson that raises questions about creditor cooperation agreements. The implications of creditors' market power on refinancing ability are examined, alongside JP Morgan's controversial $2 billion rescue loan affecting existing creditors.

A humorous anecdote about Citigroup's accidental wire transfer contrasts with JP Morgan's careful practices. The discussion includes a Bloomberg News report on JP Morgan's leadership urging investment bankers to improve performance in mergers and acquisitions, emphasizing the common practice of encouraging bankers to work harder. They contrast this with the idea of focusing on quality clients rather than spreading efforts too thin, acknowledging the risks of relying on a few high-value clients. The conversation concludes with an invitation for listener engagement.

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