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ETH infinite bid, Ethereum's next 10 years and more - The Daily Gwei Refuel #845 - Ethereum Updates

Wednesday, 13 August 2025 · 5 min read · Listen to the episode ↗

The discussion highlights Ethereum's current price dynamics, driven by significant ETF inflows and major purchases, with the potential for unpredictable future price movements as companies like Bitmine aim for substantial ETH acquisitions. It also explores Ethereum's evolution over the next decade, emphasizing strategic modes for scaling and security, along with anticipated advancements such as ZK technology. Additionally, the SEC's shift towards a more supportive stance on crypto regulation is noted, which may influence the landscape for cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology.

ETH is currently priced at $46.40, just 4% below its all-time high, driven by record ETF inflows and significant purchases from ETH treasury companies. Dan Oates expresses a bullish sentiment for ETH, suggesting that once it surpasses its previous peak, future price movements will become unpredictable. He clarifies that recent price fluctuations are due to profit-taking rather than a major market correction. Tom Lee from Bitmine aims to acquire 5% of the total ETH supply, which poses challenges as the price rises due to concurrent purchases by multiple companies. Speaker 1 believes Bitmine has a chance to reach its goal but is skeptical about their ability to raise the necessary funds quickly, especially given that 5% of ETH represents a substantial $25 billion. The competition among entities like Bitmine and others to acquire ETH is expected to drive prices higher.

Speaker 1 emphasizes the importance of preventing any single entity from controlling too much of the ETH supply, particularly for staking purposes, and believes that achieving a critical ownership threshold of 33% is impossible. They express a bearish outlook on many treasury entities' long-term prospects due to competition and insufficient capital, while only a few, including Bitmine and BTCS, are seen as likely to survive. Despite concerns about treasury companies potentially selling their ETH, Speaker 1 remains long-term bullish on ETH, predicting it will reflect BTC's price action over the past 18 months. They highlight that ETH's utility in staking and DeFi incentivizes holders to retain their assets.

The conversation highlights bullish news regarding ETH ETFs, noting a substantial inflow of $1 billion into these funds, marking the largest inflow day for both Fidelity and BlackRock. Total inflows for the week have exceeded $2 billion, with ETH ETF inflows significantly outpacing those of BTC ETFs, indicating a trend shift where ETH is outperforming BTC. Supply dynamics are also discussed, with the Ethereum network issuing approximately 2,500 new ETH daily, compared to a much higher issuance from Bitcoin. The demand for ETH is underscored by a reported 94X demand from ETH ETFs relative to the new supply. The speaker argues that bullish supply dynamics for ETH depend on sufficient demand, noting the positive impact of macro buyers who are purchasing large amounts of ETH daily.

Investment strategies are emphasized, highlighting the need for a clear approach, whether for short-term profits or long-term holding. The SEC's Project Crypto aims to provide clear guidance for the crypto industry in the U.S., including rules for tokens, NFTs, and stablecoins, as well as a safe harbor for ICOs and airdrops. The shift in the SEC's stance under new leadership is noted, contrasting last year's hostile approach with a more pro-crypto perspective. The implications of upcoming elections on crypto regulations are also considered.

The podcast reflects on Ethereum's 10th anniversary, celebrated on July 30, with a notable bullish post from Justin Drake focusing on the network's future rather than the asset itself. The conversation centers on Ethereum's evolution over the next decade, categorized into three strategic modes: Fort Mode, Beast Mode, and Lean Ethereum. Fort Mode prioritizes economic security, with significant ETH staking aimed at resilience against various threats. Beast Mode focuses on scaling, targeting 10,000 transactions per second on Layer 1 and 1 million on Layer 2 through gas limit increases and zero-knowledge technology. Lean Ethereum seeks to balance scaling with decentralization, introducing innovations like real-time ZK virtual machines and data availability sampling.

Future developments are expected to include widespread adoption of ZK technology, enhanced quantum resistance, and improved scalability, with many advancements anticipated within the next five years. The speaker suggests that Ethereum could evolve into a form of "Ethereum 3.0," potentially leading to a more ossified protocol with only minor upgrades thereafter. The Ethereum Foundation has introduced a new structure focusing on scaling Layer 1, scaling blobs, and enhancing user experience while maintaining security.

Tim Bicow provided updates on the scaling efforts, with Marios from the Geth team co-leading the initiative. A key milestone is the implementation of history expiry, which will significantly reduce disk space requirements for nodes. Additionally, a new Ethereum Improvement Proposal aims to create a unified, multi-dimensional fee market to prevent congestion across different transaction types, enhancing user experience despite potential trade-offs. The Ethereum Foundation has also established a new internal team focused on enterprise Ethereum, reflecting growing interest from major banks and tech firms in integrating the platform.

Speaker 1 addresses the current bearish sentiment surrounding Ethereum, noting that some individuals are quick to label news as negative. They question the logic behind creating new Layer 1 chains instead of Layer 2 solutions, arguing that these new chains often function more like centralized databases. The speaker suggests that if the goal is centralization and performance, blockchain technology may be unnecessary, and the real motivation for launching an L1 could be the potential for issuing a token and capitalizing on the perceived "L1 premium."

The discussion highlights that stablecoins are primarily used within the DeFi ecosystem for collateral, asset purchases, leverage, and yield generation, rather than for payments. Speaker 1 emphasizes that most USDC is on Ethereum L1, primarily for DeFi, and questions the necessity of dedicated stablecoin chains. They express skepticism about the success of these new chains, suggesting they may face higher chances of failure. The speaker believes that EVM L1s will eventually connect to Ethereum, similar to how intranets connected to the public internet, and argues that if these systems remain disconnected, they should be viewed as databases rather than true blockchains.

The speaker anticipates significant growth in Ethereum's DeFi ecosystem, driven by treasury companies bringing ETH on-chain. They also announce a new 45-page research report by the Grow the Pi team in collaboration with the On-Chain Foundation, which covers Ethereum's history, the significance of its mainnet, the rise of L2 solutions, and future prospects for the network. The speaker encourages listeners to engage with the report and share insights on social media.

The speaker emphasizes the significance of Tycho's achievement in pre-confirming blocks on its main net, which has resulted in two to three second block times. This development is notable as it represents one of the first main net pre-confirmations of blocks on a Layer 2 solution, enhancing user experience within the Ethereum ecosystem. Additionally, Spire has launched its DA Builder, a blob aggregation protocol now operational on the main net. This protocol aggregates blob submissions from various Layer 2s into a single transaction on Ethereum, leading to cost savings for users and operations.

The speaker also mentions plans to produce more frequent episodes, focusing on shorter, bite-sized content rather than longer formats.

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